Believe it or not.

I thought this might be fun to do something unbelievable or surprising facts in wrestling. I'll start!



Terry Funk, Mil Mascaras & The Great Sasuke are on the same wrestling card.



What year is it?

Teddy Hart's "Hart attack" show?

Who's seen this?







This video below was disturbing though.. the first 20 minutes really made me feel sorry for him.

If this isn't a cry for help I dunno what is.

Vince Russo shoots on RAW 10-06-14

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Vince Russo loves that damn word! Otherwise I totally agree with him on his perspective regarding this.







Vince is wearing a fire Russo shirt. lol

Another of GSB's Poorly Thought Out Gimmicks

Wrestling fans have no business insulting any other form of entertainment. However, that doesn't stop us from being highly critical of reality shows and reality based competition shows (e.g. Idol, Voice, Dancing with the Stars).



What of WWE debuted a tag team or group that came out before, after, or during either matches or promos and critiqued face performers on their work. Kind of thr same way someone on the internet is critical of anything and everything (except they should be coherent and have decent grammar). The group basically spews the same lame crap that judges spew on these shows. They can even carry paddles with number scores on them. There can be the stereotypical nice but repetitive judge, a dumb judge, and a mean foreign judge.



As time goes on, this group can get more involved interfering in matches and attacking others. For comedy sake they can critique their own beatings and give themselves 10's. They can use their paddles as weapons and give their moves horrible names like The Decider or In My Honest Opinion. They can go as far as sharing their opinions on the mic during their own matches.



I don't expect the gimmick to last long. One member may break away and keep it to some extent but like most over the top gimmicks now a days it won't last forever. This is just a way to find something to do or introduce some new blood.



I can envision Titus O'Neill, Heath Slater, and Adam Rose making this work. Maybe you add or replace one of those guys with a woman.



What do think WZ? Horrible? Worth giving a shot? Any changes that could make this work? Any other wrestlers who would work this gimmick well?

Dean Ambrose to Feud with Bray Wyatt?

Bray Wyatt has been notably absent from WWE for the past month since the week before Night of Champions, and promos have been playing for each member of the Wyatt's since. However the video on Raw seemed to indicate he would be back soon, so I'm guessing Hell in a Cell. Nut who does he feud with? The one name I keep coming back to is Dean Ambrose and here's a few reasons why:



The only 2 big matches at Hell in a Cell are Dean Ambrose v Seth Rollins and John Cena v Randy Orton

It will not be John Cena again

There are no signs of a face turn

Since he looks set to stay heel, Rollins and Orton are out of the question



This leaves Dean Ambrose. An argument could be made for Ziggler but I think that would be a step down too for all this hype. I see Ambrose finally about to get revenge on Rollins, Authority have been dealt with, when the lights go out (Wyatt/s under the ring) and they come back on for him/them to destroy Ambrose. There are subtle teases in his video promos on Raw, and the fact him and Ambrose has been a feud people have wanted for a while, it keeps Rollins strong by being the lucky heel again, and keeps Ambrose strong that he got screwed over once again. Thoughts?

What Was Their Moment 1

So this is the first of a series of threads I wanna do that ask what was the moment of a wrestlers career that stands out as the instance where they "Arrived". The break out moment or match where the world realized Okay this guy can go. He has IT, and is going to be a big time star in the industry. It could even be a series of matches if you wanted to go that route. An example would be when Stone Cold faced Bret Hart at WM13, at least that was his break out moment for me. You can put either the time when you personally realized that or when it seemed the rest of the world realized that, or both. Up to you.



For this thread the superstar at hand will be The Rock. One of the biggest stars of the attitude Era, and Stone Cold Steve Austins greatest in ring rival. So lets hear it, what was The Peoples Champ's breakout moment or match?



My choice may come later than most peoples. For me it was his match with Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 15. The Rock started to get hot and the people wanted him as a face and then just when they were gonna give the people The Rock as a face WWE Champ, BOOM they turn him and align him with the WWE Devil Himself, Mr. McMahon and the Corporation. However in the match with Austin at mania, you saw the crowd give some responses to the rock at times that showed they still really wanted to cheer him as a face. For me it was this match that showed me the rock could go with the top dogs in the ring, and could stand face to face with the top guy, Austin, and be seen as an equal challenger. I loved the match, and think him losing gave him just as much as it did Austin. It opened the door for his face turn and the rest is history.

Disappointment in Rusev vs Show

So I am thinking that no matter what the outcome of the Rusev vs. Big Show match at HIAC it will be disappointing.

If Rusev wins, which I think will happen, it will be extremely disappointing . One of the things that makes WWE popular is the big guys. People think, yeah its staged but someone that's 7 ft 400 lbs and can move well is not someone anyone wants to fight. Having Big Show put Rusev over would be almost silly. The Big show is valuable to the company because he is the guy that can beat anyone and it is believable. It will tarnish the Big Show legacy and take away from Rusevs run. After defeating Big Show, fans may think "well now we know their just gonna use some fan favorite to beat him at a big PPV." It will ruin the rest of Rusev's undefeated run.



If Show wins, then basically you have used Rusev up completely and he has nowhere to go but down. You'd have a guy that can beat everyone who is better than average, but cant beat the top stars, or as they say, a long term mid carder.



Simply put, IMO, its far too soon to have these guys in a major PPV match. I think that the benefits of this rivalry done too soon are next to nothing. They should have saved this one for WrestleMania or at least until the Rumble. Right now I'd guess it'll be Cena that predictably beats him at RR or WM, a boresville match that most wouldn't even pay 9.99 to see.

New WWE Championship Title Belts!!

New WWE Championship Title Belts featuring the new WWE logo unveiled on Raw the night after SummerSlam are now available!!























So what do you WZers think!? I, myself, will be getting the current WWE Triple Crown Championship Title Belts (WWE, Intercontinental, and 2 WWE Tag Team), along with a 3rd Detolf display case as soon as I can.

Another of GSB's Poorly Thought Out Gimmicks

Wrestling fans have no business insulting any other form of entertainment. However, that doesn't stop us from being highly critical of reality shows and reality based competition shows (e.g. Idol, Voice, Dancing with the Stars).



What of WWE debuted a tag team or group that came out before, after, or during either matches or promos and critiqued face performers on their work. Kind of thr same way someone on the internet is critical of anything and everything (except they should be coherent and have decent grammar). The group basically spews the same lame crap that judges spew on these shows. They can even carry paddles with number scores on them. There can be the stereotypical nice but repetitive judge, a dumb judge, and a mean foreign judge.



As time goes on, this group can get more involved interfering in matches and attacking others. For comedy sake they can critique their own beatings and give themselves 10's. They can use their paddles as weapons and give their moves horrible names like The Decider or In My Honest Opinion. They can go as far as sharing their opinions on the mic during their own matches.



I don't expect the gimmick to last long. One member may break away and keep it to some extent but like most over the top gimmicks now a days it won't last forever. This is just a way to find something to do or introduce some new blood.



I can envision Titus O'Neill, Heath Slater, and Adam Rose making this work. Maybe you add or replace one of those guys with a woman.



What do think WZ? Horrible? Worth giving a shot? Any changes that could make this work? Any other wrestlers who would work this gimmick well?

Dean Ambrose to Feud with Bray Wyatt?

Bray Wyatt has been notably absent from WWE for the past month since the week before Night of Champions, and promos have been playing for each member of the Wyatt's since. However the video on Raw seemed to indicate he would be back soon, so I'm guessing Hell in a Cell. Nut who does he feud with? The one name I keep coming back to is Dean Ambrose and here's a few reasons why:



The only 2 big matches at Hell in a Cell are Dean Ambrose v Seth Rollins and John Cena v Randy Orton

It will not be John Cena again

There are no signs of a face turn

Since he looks set to stay heel, Rollins and Orton are out of the question



This leaves Dean Ambrose. An argument could be made for Ziggler but I think that would be a step down too for all this hype. I see Ambrose finally about to get revenge on Rollins, Authority have been dealt with, when the lights go out (Wyatt/s under the ring) and they come back on for him/them to destroy Ambrose. There are subtle teases in his video promos on Raw, and the fact him and Ambrose has been a feud people have wanted for a while, it keeps Rollins strong by being the lucky heel again, and keeps Ambrose strong that he got screwed over once again. Thoughts?

What Was Their Moment 1

So this is the first of a series of threads I wanna do that ask what was the moment of a wrestlers career that stands out as the instance where they "Arrived". The break out moment or match where the world realized Okay this guy can go. He has IT, and is going to be a big time star in the industry. It could even be a series of matches if you wanted to go that route. An example would be when Stone Cold faced Bret Hart at WM13, at least that was his break out moment for me. You can put either the time when you personally realized that or when it seemed the rest of the world realized that, or both. Up to you.



For this thread the superstar at hand will be The Rock. One of the biggest stars of the attitude Era, and Stone Cold Steve Austins greatest in ring rival. So lets hear it, what was The Peoples Champ's breakout moment or match?



My choice may come later than most peoples. For me it was his match with Stone Cold Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 15. The Rock started to get hot and the people wanted him as a face and then just when they were gonna give the people The Rock as a face WWE Champ, BOOM they turn him and align him with the WWE Devil Himself, Mr. McMahon and the Corporation. However in the match with Austin at mania, you saw the crowd give some responses to the rock at times that showed they still really wanted to cheer him as a face. For me it was this match that showed me the rock could go with the top dogs in the ring, and could stand face to face with the top guy, Austin, and be seen as an equal challenger. I loved the match, and think him losing gave him just as much as it did Austin. It opened the door for his face turn and the rest is history.

Disappointment in Rusev vs Show

So I am thinking that no matter what the outcome of the Rusev vs. Big Show match at HIAC it will be disappointing.

If Rusev wins, which I think will happen, it will be extremely disappointing . One of the things that makes WWE popular is the big guys. People think, yeah its staged but someone that's 7 ft 400 lbs and can move well is not someone anyone wants to fight. Having Big Show put Rusev over would be almost silly. The Big show is valuable to the company because he is the guy that can beat anyone and it is believable. It will tarnish the Big Show legacy and take away from Rusevs run. After defeating Big Show, fans may think "well now we know their just gonna use some fan favorite to beat him at a big PPV." It will ruin the rest of Rusev's undefeated run.



If Show wins, then basically you have used Rusev up completely and he has nowhere to go but down. You'd have a guy that can beat everyone who is better than average, but cant beat the top stars, or as they say, a long term mid carder.



Simply put, IMO, its far too soon to have these guys in a major PPV match. I think that the benefits of this rivalry done too soon are next to nothing. They should have saved this one for WrestleMania or at least until the Rumble. Right now I'd guess it'll be Cena that predictably beats him at RR or WM, a boresville match that most wouldn't even pay 9.99 to see.

New WWE Championship Title Belts!!

New WWE Championship Title Belts featuring the new WWE logo unveiled on Raw the night after SummerSlam are now available!!























So what do you WZers think!? I, myself, will be getting the current WWE Triple Crown Championship Title Belts (WWE, Intercontinental, and 2 WWE Tag Team), along with a 3rd Detolf display case as soon as I can.

Wrestlers that were heels their whole career?

I've seen threads about which wrestlers never turned heel in their careers (example: Ricky Steamboat) but I've never seen a thread discussing the opposite question. So I thought to start one myself.



Post wrestlers who were always a heel with out ever turning face.



I'll go first..



"Rick Rude"

If You Could Add Gaming Notions To Wrestling Gimmicks

A) Whenever someone gets into a feud with Wyatt, just don't have him wrestle Wyatt. Make his cronies wrestle first and then Bray is the final boss a coupla months down the line. Make us wait to see Bray wrestle.





B) Orton should pull out a super RKO to beat the big dogs. Like Cena, or Brock or H or Rock. It has to be something devastating so we realize that the same move he beat Heath Slater with, needs to be added with more damage to beat a Lesnar. While a Shooting StaRKO is great, its wasted on an Evan Bourne.

Does anyone think Bret Hart was better than Shawn Michaels, and why?

Back in say, 2000, when they'd both retired (Shawn temporarily), the debate would probably be quite even, possibly in favour of Bret. Then Shawn came back and put in another 8 years of work, culminating in arguably the two greatest WrestleMania matches in history. Shawn was regarded as one of the best when he retired in 1998, but today it seems widely accepted that Shawn is the single greatest ever, while Bret has settled into that "one of the best" category.



Does anyone here and now, in 2014, think Bret was the better of the two? And why?



Remember it's all opinion, people...

Were The Challenges In NXT Fixed?

Somehow I found myself stumbling across old NXT footage(Season 3 I believe, the diva one) and there was a week: Name That Tune. Where they used wrestlers themes from mostly the present, and the 5 divas had an airhorn to buzz in so they could guess. (stupid way to build it, shows nothing of substance involving their wrestling skill...but I'm bored and hey it's AJ xD)



Anyway. 5 Divas and they did about 10-15 songs. Naomi guessed one correctly, none of the divas got one and AJ got all of the rest. I remember hearing she actually likes wrestling outside of the ring(seems like a model gig for some girls now) but I was just blown away. So I questioned, was it rigged?



Obviously AJ looked like a true fan then but all the other divas looked like idiots, surely the WWE wouldn't set up something for 4 girls to look that bad...especially when the girl who knew the answers lost. (speaking of which, where is Kaitlyn?)



The video, if you're curious to see what I mean





Then I was watching How Well Do You Know Your Pro from season 2? Some of the answers seemed so in character, yet somehow Daniel Bryan and Derrick Bateman were using telepathy or something, because Derrick always knew Daniel's weird answers(Tulsa Oklahoma? Am I missing something?) And this got me thinking that it's either rigged or that they knew each other from the indie circuit.







If you're curious about that one



So fixed? Or not?

Yo Fiance

Happy birthday. From a young pup to an old 23.

What is next for the IC belt?

Unfortunately, the Intercontinental Championship is currently in even worse shape than the United States championship. I felt Ziggler's reign has mostly sucked for a handful of reasons. The whole 'Ziggler Vs Miz' fiasco devalued the belts because they changed hands so often, but even worse, Ziggler is still being used as a jobber. Even though he's still a champ, he's been losing cleanly to Orton, Rusev and Rollins in underhyped (but mostly excellent) matches...yet none of those wins lead to any title shots, because WWE is telling us that the IC belt is for midcarders. I know that's the case, but I don't think the company should be so honest about that.



Ziggler's currently entering a feud with Cesaro, but is that any better? Cesaro has been on a losing streak, having twice attempted and failed to take the U.S belt from Sheamus. If Ziggler wins, it means nothing because Cesaro has been booked as a loser. If Cesaro wins, then the WWE is now telling us that the U.S Belt> IC Belt.



So...what can they do? Should Ziggler keep it? Will Cesaro make a good IC champ? There were rumors that Bray might feud with Ziggler for his gold, but that would not be good for his career. Bray was previously competing for the WHC and was last seen being dominated by the former WHC. Him going for the IC Belt is akin to him admitting he isn't good enough to compete with guys like Cena or Lesnar.



Whereas I think Rusev going after the U.S Belt would work on many levels, I don't know what can be done with the IC Belt. I wouldn't be against someone like Bo Dallas taking it from Ziggler.

Why Cena is still the #1 guy in the eyes of the company and the fans

Everybody on the internet complains whenever Cena is put over someone when he does not really need the victory. However, whether the internet likes it or not, Cena is more over with the crowd than any other superstar with the exception of maybe Daniel Bryan.



He has recently been paired with Ambrose in Tag Team matches and I've noticed that the crowds are always more interested in Cena than they are in Ambrose. You'll likely hear "Let's Go Cena/ Cena Sucks", but it's odd hearing that when Ambrose is starting the match. But it does suggest to me that people either like Cena more than Ambrose, wanting him in the ring instead. Or they hate Cena more than they like Ambrose. I remember Reigns, who seemed more over than Ambrose at the time, doing a promo and mentioning Cena. Immediately fans began the iconic Cena chants (although I think the emphasis was on 'Cena sucks'), causing Reigns to say something like "When Roman Reigns is in the house, you're damn right Cena sucks".



So people might not be thrilled whenever Cena takes the spotlight, but it almost seems understandable when he gets the biggest reactions- positive or negative. Oddly, the only person whom I think gets such a strong reaction is Rusev. The "USA" chants tend to be done to spite him more than anything. When Big Show/Henry were fighting the Wyatts, the crowd seemed mild until Rusev came out and stole the show by just standing there.